wayne is joining us from austin. wayne, world cup inside the war room. >> great to be with you governor. >> all right. so do you think texas could really go blue? >> it looks that way. the only question is not whether texas is going to move to purple and then blue but when. i think 2014, as some democrats suggest, when rick perry, the aforementioned rick perry is up for reelection is probably too early. all of the signs here if we really talk to the smart guys on the republican -- democrat side suggest by 2016, 2018, you very well may see a democrat or democrats begin to win statewide e elections for the first time since you correctly said first time since 1994. >> okay. is rick perry actually going to run again, do you think? >> i don't know. i talked to people around him. the indication is he probably will. but he's going to do whatever he needs to do to prepare himself for another presidential run. he believes he is going to run against the president. >> do you think that hispanics turn, you know, other reliably s